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Has anyone gone with 22" wheels been able to fit a decent All Terrain tire? Love the look of the 22" wheels but want a better tire that can handle some snow
I’ve never herd of requiring 3PMSF, are you sure it isn’t a M+S requirement? Where are you talking about? And to be honest 3PMSF is sort of meaningless. There are pretty good all seasons like the defender that do not have the 3PMSF. I’ll also say that the Rivian is going to be a fairly marginal winter vehicle because it is heavy, the best winter vehicles are light. Going won’t be an issue, stopping could be. At 7k lbs it is close to the weight of my built out LX570, even on the best winter tires (studded Nokian Hakkas) I drive one of the other cars (MB 4matic, Subaru, Tesla 3) here in Alaska most of the winter and when the roads are really bad. So you may end up putting chains on anyway.Understand the viewpoints above. To add some color to why I'm looking for AT's on 22s
1) I like the look of the 20"s on the truck but think for the R1S (my order) the 22s just look WAY better
2) We have access to a local mountain that we frequently go up. It requires 3PMSF rated tires or snow chains to go up. It's usually not too crazy up there and the roads are paved, so I wanted to find the most "summer" oriented tire with 3PMSF and not have to deal with switching tires every season for a few trips a year. With little kiddos in the back, I'd really REALLY like to avoid having to deal with chains. Almost would deter me not to even go up the mountain.
So understand the hit on range and ride, but for convenience am considering if there's even any options for me in the 22s
I live in SoCal, so most of my driving will be pavement and in warm weather. The local mountain here during the winter does require 3PMSF and not just M+S, and stopping on the side of the road just to throw chains on is really not worth the hassle since I never go up when conditions are really bad and the main roads are usually salted well enough to not be iced over. So I was ultimately looking for a compromise, but you're right with the added weight of the vehicle and poor tires, it's not a good situation to be in. If anything probably still best to get the 20s if that is the goal.I’ve never herd of requiring 3PMSF, are you sure it isn’t a M+S requirement? Where are you talking about? And to be honest 3PMSF is sort of meaningless. There are pretty good all seasons like the defender that do not have the 3PMSF. I’ll also say that the Rivian is going to be a fairly marginal winter vehicle because it is heavy, the best winter vehicles are light. Going won’t be an issue, stopping could be. At 7k lbs it is close to the weight of my built out LX570, even on the best winter tires (studded Nokian Hakkas) I drive one of the other cars (MB 4matic, Subaru, Tesla 3) here in Alaska most of the winter and when the roads are really bad. So you may end up putting chains on anyway.
And they make Nokian WR G4 in a size that would fit the 20. This is probably the best all weather year round tire made. I ran a similar tire year round when we spent 2 years in the Appalachians and drove up and down Beech mountain almost every weekend in the winter in my A6 Allroad.
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I was born and raised in Tahoe, I checked CA does not require 3PMSF to negate chains. Many dedicated winter tires do not have the 3PMSFI live in SoCal, so most of my driving will be pavement and in warm weather. The local mountain here during the winter does require 3PMSF and not just M+S, and stopping on the side of the road just to throw chains on is really not worth the hassle since I never go up when conditions are really bad and the main roads are usually salted well enough to not be iced over. So I was ultimately looking for a compromise, but you're right with the added weight of the vehicle and poor tires, it's not a good situation to be in. If anything probably still best to get the 20s if that is the goal.
Cool thanks for that. I did a bit more digging and there's varying levels for the mountain that I frequent.
I lived in Tahoe from the mid 1970’s until I finished undergrad in 1997. Then went back for a gap year (well 2 years) year prior to residency. Left for good in 2002 but the road controls were the same back then. I’m all my years there I only remember getting my tires checked once or twice when it was R3 and local traffic only so they were checking my address on my DL and looking for winter tires or chains. My dads best friend was chief of police in S all Tahoe growing up I remember him telling me that in winter wrecks tires are the first thing they check to see if you met the restriction requirements and if not you are charged with the crash no matter what if you do not meet the restrictions. Winter specific tires count as traction devices, back then it was studs but studless winter may count now.Cool thanks for that. I did a bit more digging and there's varying levels for the mountain that I frequent.
Caltrans Chain Control Requirement Levels:
R-0: No Restrictions
R-1: Chains or snow tread tires required. Snow tires must have a tread depth of 6/32″ with an M&S imprint on the tire’s sidewall.
R-2: Chains required on all vehicles, except four-wheel drives or all-wheel drives with snow tread tires on all four wheels. Four-wheel drives must carry chains in the vehicle. If you have four-wheel drive, engage it. Use 4-Low only if your vehicle becomes stuck.
R-3: Chains required on all vehicles, no exceptions.
Now I swear I remember reading 3PMSF would suffice, but now I'm questioning whether that is the case.
It recommends snow socks for 20"Just so everyone’s aware, this is what the Owners Manual says about snow chains / traction devices. Not recommended at all on 20” wheels and only “low profile” ones (on rear only) for 21” and 22” wheels.
Outside tire diameter is larger on the 20” AT tires. Wheel diameter is not what matters here.Interesting that the 20" can't support chains but a larger wheel could
Likely has to do with clearance of the upper control arms. Many IFS trucks with larger tires can’t fit chains on the front wheels.Interesting that the 20" can't support chains but a larger wheel could
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