While Blue Origin gets R1S and R1T rocket taxi's, we continue to wait and even longer now after Rivian recently announced that first deliveries would be delayed yet again. Is this making anyone here more frustrated or is it just me?
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I am fine with it.
These are preproduction vehicles used for testing, they are not going to be for sell after testing is completed. They have already said the vehicles will be donated and used for things like first responder training when they are done with them.
The more testing and data they can collect, even if it is using the machines in what appears to be a normal use scenario is fine with me.
These are preproduction vehicles used for testing, they are not going to be for sell after testing is completed. They have already said the vehicles will be donated and used for things like first responder training when they are done with them.
The more testing and data they can collect, even if it is using the machines in what appears to be a normal use scenario is fine with me.
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Please remember Jeff Bezos invested over $700 million dollars into Rivian alone. So to answer your question, NO. Rivian is doing exactly what should be excepted when one of your largest investors ask you to partner with them concerning Blue Orgin. Great marketing opportunity! 👌
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Nope, give Jeff all he wants... Giant money dump + publicity = a huge win once we take receipt of our Trucks!
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It's probably a pre-prod anyway that is slated to be used for slamming into an offset barrier later this year... so... no, I'm not.
Plus, as others have pointed out, Jeffy dropped $700m into this, pretty sure that gets you some early beta access...
Plus, as others have pointed out, Jeffy dropped $700m into this, pretty sure that gets you some early beta access...
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the commentator did however constantly say Rivian, Rivian, Rivian. was working at the time and only listening in the background until closer to launch time when to changed my focus from work to the screen to watch. But, do recall hearing Rivian over and over and over, both before and after launch.
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Are you upset that Blue Origin has Rivians but we don’t yet?
Nope, and in fact would have been surprised if Rivian passed on the opportunity to showcase its cars.
What I am upset about however is the paltry amount of information that Rivian is providing about delivery of the R1T and S, and about the introduction of the Max battery.
GM and Ford already announced plant idlings and production slowdowns of their pickups due to the chip shortage. Rivian stated last week that the semiconductor shortage has impacted its production plans, but only in the context of its planned July deliveries. It's hard to believe that Rivian will successfully overcome that impediment and deliver vehicles in meaningful numbers starting in September. We can't know what impact that the chip shortage on Rivian is of course, but I' for one am upset that rather than provide us with any information on that, Rivian has opted instead to make announcements for new plants, more capital infusion and a planned IPO.
It is the information void, not the Rivian photo op with pre-production vehicles at the Blue Origin launch, that upsets me.
Nope, and in fact would have been surprised if Rivian passed on the opportunity to showcase its cars.
What I am upset about however is the paltry amount of information that Rivian is providing about delivery of the R1T and S, and about the introduction of the Max battery.
GM and Ford already announced plant idlings and production slowdowns of their pickups due to the chip shortage. Rivian stated last week that the semiconductor shortage has impacted its production plans, but only in the context of its planned July deliveries. It's hard to believe that Rivian will successfully overcome that impediment and deliver vehicles in meaningful numbers starting in September. We can't know what impact that the chip shortage on Rivian is of course, but I' for one am upset that rather than provide us with any information on that, Rivian has opted instead to make announcements for new plants, more capital infusion and a planned IPO.
It is the information void, not the Rivian photo op with pre-production vehicles at the Blue Origin launch, that upsets me.
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I heard that Jan 2022 is when they'll drop the max battery.
Do you think that date will stick with the way things are going currently?
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Rivian stated that they planned to start shipping R1T's with the Max battery in Jan 2022; I'm not aware that they ever had a date for the R1S with the Max. From what I've read, it's a much easier engineering and production challenge to fit the Max to the R1T than the R1S.
I contacted CS when the Configurator went live because I want an R1S Max and at that time, they told me to expect an "announcement" about Max availability in Jan 2020. I contacted them again when the delay to September was announced, and this time, they were more ambiguous about the issue, saying only that an announcement was likely in the first quarter of the new year. I'd guess that they are still having engineering/design issues due to the more crowded R1S cabin (the third-row specifically).
Quite honestly, the across-the-board delays are not a surprise. It's very challenging for established auto-makers to introduce new models. Introducing a completely new platform is much tougher, and doing it as a start-up is daunting. Doing any of this in the present crazy environment adds an unbelievable degree of difficulty.
IMO, Rivian will have their hands full with the LE through the end of 2022 and will struggle to ramp up production for a variety of reasons. The automotive supply-chain is a nightmare right now, and the issues are impacting all auto-makers and their sub-tiers. There is no quick fix to this and IMO, it will take a huge effort on Rivian's part to fill all of their Launch Edition orders by the end of 2022.
As for the R1T Max, I would not expect it to ship in appreciable numbers in 2022, effectively pushing delivery to 2023. For the R1S, once Rivian figures out how to get a higher capacity battery pack in place (and I don't think it's a given that it will be the 180 kWh pack that will be in the R1T), they still need to deal with the supply chain. I would not expect the R1S start shipping until sometime in 2023, probably late in the year, and I think production numbers won't happen until 2024.
My crystal ball is no better than anyone else's and I'd be happy if my predictions prove overly pessimistic.
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Do you think they could be doing certain production things to feed into the coming IPO? Curious because, establishing themselves in Europe can be seen as a very positive thing to investors and it's exactly what Rivian is up to at the moment. Of course, IPO aside, it's just a good idea to diversify like that as a business if you can.
I hope our 180kWh packs aren't on hold by much.
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I think he paid just a bit more for his R1S than I have...he can have a production vehicle without me being upset.
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It's nearly the same amount of money comparatively for him as it is for us. If you're worth a million dollars, then the $1,000 represents 0.10% of your net worth. Bezos is worth $207.7B right now, $700M for him equates to just 0.34%. The amount of money the top 1% of the top 1% have is truly insane. Also, it was Amazon that put the money down, which is even a better deal given their market cap is $1.8T. So seems like a bargain for everyone honestly :/eHauler, you are exactly right, I didn’t put down 700 Million for my R1S.
Kind of makes my $1000K deposit look like a bargain
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