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Accoriding to new reports, General Motors could be building Honda electric crossovers starting in 2023 and Acura electric crossovers in 2024 as part of the two companies aligning together.


In a recent report, Automotive News says that General Motors will launch production of an electrified Honda crossover in 2023 at GM’s Ramos Arizpe facility in Mexico. The Ramos Arizpe facility currently produces the Chevy Equinox and Chevy Blazer, but, as was reported last year, GM is looking to retool the facility for EV production within the next few years.

The Automotive News report also states that General Motors will begin production of a new electric crossover for Honda’s premium brand, Acura, by the 2024 calendar year at GM’s production facility in Spring Hill, Tennessee. The Spring Hill facility currently produces the GMC Acadia, the Cadillac XT5, and the Cadillac XT6, with plans to build the all-electric Cadillac Lyriq crossover next year. Production of the next-generation GMC Acadia will be moved to GM’s Lansing Delta Township facility in Michigan.
 

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Not surprised, it was planned from the very start.
In a press release earlier this year it was said "GM's flexible, modular approach to EV development will drive significant economies of scale."

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GM Reveals New Ultium Batteries and a Flexible Global Platform to Rapidly Grow its EV Portfolio

WARREN, Mich. – Starting today, General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) is gathering hundreds of employees, dealers, investors, analysts, media and policymakers to share details of its strategy to grow the company’s electric vehicle (EV) sales quickly, efficiently and profitably.

“Our team accepted the challenge to transform product development at GM and position our company for an all-electric future,” said Mary Barra, GM chairman and CEO. “What we have done is build a multi-brand, multi-segment EV strategy with economies of scale that rival our full-size truck business with much less complexity and even more flexibility.”

The heart of GM’s strategy is a modular propulsion system and a highly flexible, third-generation global EV platform powered by proprietary Ultium batteries. They will allow the company to compete for nearly every customer in the market today, whether they are looking for affordable transportation, a luxury experience, work trucks or a high-performance machine.

“Thousands of GM scientists, engineers and designers are working to execute an historic reinvention of the company,” said GM President Mark Reuss. “They are on the cusp of delivering a profitable EV business that can satisfy millions of customers.”

Ultium Batteries and Propulsion System Highlights

  • GM’s new Ultium batteries are unique in the industry because the large-format, pouch-style cells can be stacked vertically or horizontally inside the battery pack. This allows engineers to optimize battery energy storage and layout for each vehicle design.
  • Ultium energy options range from 50 to 200 kWh, which could enable a GM-estimated range up to 400 miles or more on a full charge with 0 to 60 mph acceleration as low as 3 seconds. Motors designed in-house will support front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, all-wheel drive and performance all-wheel drive applications.
  • Ultium-powered EVs are designed for Level 2 and DC fast charging. Most will have 400-volt battery packs and up to 200 kW fast-charging capability while our truck platform will have 800-volt battery packs and 350 kW fast-charging capability.
GM’s flexible, modular approach to EV development will drive significant economies of scale and create new revenue opportunities, including:

  • Continuous Improvement in Battery Costs: GM’s joint venture with LG Chem will drive battery cell costs below $100/kWh. The cells use a proprietary low cobalt chemistry and ongoing technological and manufacturing breakthroughs will drive costs even lower.
  • Flexibility: GM’s all-new global platform is flexible enough to build a wide range of trucks, SUVs, crossovers, cars and commercial vehicles with outstanding design, performance, packaging, range and affordability.
  • Capital Efficiency: GM can spend less capital to scale its EV business because it is able to leverage existing property, including land, buildings, tools and production equipment such as body shops and paint shops.
  • Complexity Reduction: The vehicle and propulsion systems were designed together to minimize complexity and part counts beyond today’s EVs, which are less complex than conventional vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. For example, GM plans 19 different battery and drive unit configurations initially, compared with 550 internal combustion powertrain combinations available today.
  • Rising Customer Acceptance: Third-party forecasters expect U.S. EV volumes to more than double from 2025 to 2030 to about 3 million units on average. GM believes volumes could be materially higher as more EVs are launched in popular segments, charging networks grow and the total cost of ownership to consumers continues to fall.
  • New Sources of Revenue: By vertically integrating the manufacture of battery cells, the company can reach beyond its own fleet and license technology to others.
The first generation of GM’s future EV program will be profitable. The initial programs will pave the way for further accretive growth. GM’s technology can be scaled to meet customer demand much higher than the more than 1 million global sales the company expects mid-decade.

Upcoming Launches and Reveals

Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick will all be launching new EVs starting this year. The next new Chevrolet EV will be a new version of the Bolt EV, launching in late 2020, followed by the 2022 Bolt EUV, launching Summer 2021. The Bolt EUV will be the first vehicle outside of the Cadillac brand to feature Super Cruise, the industry's first true hands-free driving technology for the highway, which GM will expand to 22 vehicles by 2023, including 10 by next year.

The Cruise Origin, a self-driving, electric shared vehicle, shown to the public in January 2020 in San Francisco, was the first product revealed using GM’s third generation EV platform and Ultium batteries. Next will be the Cadillac Lyriq luxury SUV in April. Details about its launch will be shared then. The reveal of the Ultium-powered GMC HUMMER EV will follow on May 20. Production is expected to begin in Fall 2021 at GM’s Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant, GM’s first assembly plant 100 percent dedicated to EV production.
 

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This is why I put a reservation in for the Hummer EV, good backup plan to the delayed R1T with Max Pack.

GM more recently announced the 200KWH pack should be good for up to 450 miles of range.
 

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This is why I put a reservation in for the Hummer EV, good backup plan to the delayed R1T with Max Pack.

GM more recently announced the 200KWH pack should be good for up to 450 miles of range.
How much was the deposit and what's the delivery timeline like?
 

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Pretty impressive for GM to be able to pull this off. Hopefully there won't be build quality issues for Honda.
 

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This is why I put a reservation in for the Hummer EV, good backup plan to the delayed R1T with Max Pack.

GM more recently announced the 200KWH pack should be good for up to 450 miles of range.
That's a massive battery wow. I guess it makes sense for a truck that big.
 

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That's a massive battery wow. I guess it makes sense for a truck that big.
At 3 seconds into this video you can see the battery pack ready to attach to the Hummer.


The Hummer will not get the full 450 miles. Right now they are stating 350+, but that was based on the original 400 for the Ultium, so they will be close to 400 with the extra 12.5%. I think the lower end Sierra and Silverdo EVs will hit the 450 mile range mark when they come out. The Ultium battery series will range from 50KW to 200KW for various vehicles.
 

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Pretty impressive for GM to be able to pull this off. Hopefully there won't be build quality issues for Honda.
Having owned Honda’s and Acura’s most of my life, I’d be very worried about the quality of GM building their products.
 

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At 3 seconds into this video you can see the battery pack ready to attach to the Hummer.


The Hummer will not get the full 450 miles. Right now they are stating 350+, but that was based on the original 400 for the Ultium, so they will be close to 400 with the extra 12.5%. I think the lower end Sierra and Silverdo EVs will hit the 450 mile range mark when they come out. The Ultium battery series will range from 50KW to 200KW for various vehicles.
Here's another look at what the battery will look like. 24-module, double-stacked Ultium battery

 

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Having owned Honda’s and Acura’s most of my life, I’d be very worried about the quality of GM building their products.
It will be interesting to see how they spin it because I'm sure you won't be the only one concerned about it.
 

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It will be interesting to see how they spin it because I'm sure you won't be the only one concerned about it.
My last 5 vehicles have all been GMs, inlcuding two EVs and all have been reliable. My 2008 GM Sierra just passed 175K miles and had to replace an alternator.. First part other than normal wear and tear items that I had to replace. Had a 1999 Suburban that went for 250K miles until the oil pump gave out. I have pulled a lot of trailers with both of those trucks.
 

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How much was the deposit and what's the delivery timeline like?
Deposit was refundable $100. I am roughly fall of 2022 right now, but wait listed to move up. If I want the R1T with removable roof I am out to at least June of 2022 for that.
 

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Deposit was refundable $100. I am roughly fall of 2022 right now, but wait listed to move up. If I want the R1T with removable roof I am out to at least June of 2022 for that.
Painful wait, I think the F-150 EV should be out before then too. Would you consider that?
 

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Not sure about the F-150, I would have to see the specs on it. The initial reviews of the Mach E do not seem very good, so right now I would favor a GM over a Ford. GM is claiming 350KW charging and that is the best possible right now.
 

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My last 5 vehicles have all been GMs, inlcuding two EVs and all have been reliable. My 2008 GM Sierra just passed 175K miles and had to replace an alternator.. First part other than normal wear and tear items that I had to replace. Had a 1999 Suburban that went for 250K miles until the oil pump gave out. I have pulled a lot of trailers with both of those trucks.
My old neighbor was a top engineer at GM. He gave me a hard time that everything in my garage was a Honda or Acura including my lawn mower. One day he came over and I walked him through our Honda Odyssey and my experiences with Honda over 30 years. He said, at GM, we have gifted engineers which I believe they do, but he said companies like Honda & Toyota reject say parts that GM would say are just fine, they just have higher standards. GM has the talent to build amazing products, but if their culture is has it has been in its past, they will never build great products. Just my opinion and I hope I’m wrong.
 

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Having owned Honda’s and Acura’s most of my life, I’d be very worried about the quality of GM building their products.
Honda/Acura quality has fallen greatly, over the years. Overall quality of my GMC Sierra was better than my Acura MDX. Fewer issues with the GMC, by far.
 

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My old neighbor was a top engineer at GM. He gave me a hard time that everything in my garage was a Honda or Acura including my lawn mower. One day he came over and I walked him through our Honda Odyssey and my experiences with Honda over 30 years. He said, at GM, we have gifted engineers which I believe they do, but he said companies like Honda & Toyota reject say parts that GM would say are just fine, they just have higher standards. GM has the talent to build amazing products, but if their culture is has it has been in its past, they will never build great products. Just my opinion and I hope I’m wrong.
That's true, you can design and develop an excellent car but if the quality dips because of bean counters then you're screwed.
 
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