[Gavin]

I prefer the Rivian, but I just got this email from Ford:


Hi Gavin,

The wait is over! The F-150 Lightning order bank is now open. By now you should have also received a detailed email from Ford stating that you can now begin the ordering process.

The next step is scheduling an appointment to place your order. Please call or email me directly to set an appointment. Additionally, I will continue to provide any updates that Ford provides to us. I will be your Point of Contact each step of the way until the truck is finally in your driveway.

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any additional questions. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to serve you!

Best regards,

And the person as texted me twice (almost pushy
I will see what the wait is on the Lightening

 

[SANZCO2]

I prefer the Rivian, but I just got this email from Ford:


Hi Gavin,

The wait is over! The F-150 Lightning order bank is now open. By now you should have also received a detailed email from Ford stating that you can now begin the ordering process.

The next step is scheduling an appointment to place your order. Please call or email me directly to set an appointment. Additionally, I will continue to provide any updates that Ford provides to us. I will be your Point of Contact each step of the way until the truck is finally in your driveway.

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any additional questions. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to serve you!

Best regards,

And the person as texted me twice (almost pushy
I will see what the wait is on the Lightening

Might want the dealer to check that, the stuff I read on the 24th and 25th seem to be reporting they are pushing it out to later in December. Would not be the first time I read articles that were not correct but seemed to be reported form more than 1 source that it was being pushed.

 

[Gavin]

Might want the dealer to check that, the stuff I read on the 24th and 25th seem to be reporting they are pushing it out to later in December. Would not be the first time I read articles that were not correct but seemed to be reported form more than 1 source that it was being pushed.

She’s from the dealership, and has now texted me three times. I think she wants an easy sale.

 

[RITVT]

Ahhhhhh, those awesome dealer vibes? Ya. No thanks!

 

[SANZCO2]

She’s from the dealership, and has now texted me three times. I think she wants an easy sale.

Interesting... Could just be bad forum member information then

Ford F-150 Lightning Order Banks Allegedly Pushed Back To December | Carscoops

Report: Ford Has Some Bad News Concerning the Order Banks for the F-150 Lightning EV - autoevolution

 

[taktak211]

you can wait for tom brady, or you can have johnny manziel NOW

 

[Blur1t]

I prefer the Rivian, but I just got this email from Ford:


Hi Gavin,

The wait is over! The F-150 Lightning order bank is now open. By now you should have also received a detailed email from Ford stating that you can now begin the ordering process.

The next step is scheduling an appointment to place your order. Please call or email me directly to set an appointment. Additionally, I will continue to provide any updates that Ford provides to us. I will be your Point of Contact each step of the way until the truck is finally in your driveway.

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any additional questions. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to serve you!

Best regards,

And the person as texted me twice (almost pushy
I will see what the wait is on the Lightening

Gavin,
I wish you the best of luck really I do. I just got my money back from my dealership for my reservation. They really did not have much information at the dealership and I own an F150 now, just did not get the feeling this truck is going to suite my wants like the Rivian. It’s all a personal choice on how and what you plan to do with it. I think either way it will be awesome! However it may be some time before we take delivery, just hope they don’t raise the prices and the bugs get worked out of each!

 

[Gavin]

you can wait for tom brady, or you can have johnny manziel NOW

That made me laugh.

yes I much prefer the Rivian, but there are good points for the Ford.

 

[ERivTruck]

Bait and switch folks...bait and switch. Good to see the Ford dealership franchise owners are up the their same old tricks.

 

[SkeetShooter]

That's odd. My dealer hasnt reached out to me regarding my reservation...

 

[TessP100D]

you can wait for tom brady, or you can have johnny manziel NOW

Lol.

 

[@Boise]

Unless you reserved a Lightning in the first few days then no way will you get one in 2022. The same goes for Hummer and CT.

My current experience with ordering a Mach E from Ford is a total mess.

 

[TessP100D]

Unless you reserved a Lightning in the first few days then no way will you get one in 2022. The same goes for Hummer and CT.

My current experience with ordering a Mach E from Ford is a total mess.

I have driven big Fords all my life.
I think it’s great that Ford, Chevy and Ram want to build EV trucks.

but I can’t figure out the business model. They sell gas powered vehicles. They have a Hugh dealership, with lots people working there to service those vehicles and sale parts. When Ford starts flooring those new EV trucks, and people start buying them, and they don’t require the normal service that an ICE does, then what?

mortgage, utilities, taxes, how the heck does all that get paid for when they only have a few EV to sell, and nobody wants an ICE anymore?

bankrupt?

 

[TessP100D]

I have driven big Fords all my life.
I think it’s great that Ford, Chevy and Ram want to build EV trucks.

but I can’t figure out the business model. They sell gas powered vehicles. They have a Hugh dealership, with lots people working there to service those vehicles and sale parts. When Ford starts flooring those new EV trucks, and people start buying them, and they don’t require the normal service that an ICE does, then what?

mortgage, utilities, taxes, how the heck does all that get paid for when they only have a few EV to sell, and nobody wants an ICE anymore?

bankrupt?

That’s why EV only company’s like Tesla and Rivian don’t have those pre-built cost issues. They aren’t catabolizing anything.

 

[RITVT]

Seriously? That's like saying what happened to IBM when Apple came along and mainframes went out of style, or what happened to the power company when there were solar panels, or what happened to credit card companies when you could pay from your phone, or what happened to retailers when you could shop online, or (i can go on and on). Come on!!!

 

[TessP100D]

Seriously? That's like saying what happened to IBM when Apple came along and mainframes went out of style, or what happened to the power company when there were solar panels, or what happened to credit card companies when you could pay from your phone, or what happened to retailers when you could shop online, or (i can go on and on). Come on!!!

So are you dating you have the answer? Please… do tell

 

[TessP100D]

Sorry. Stupid spell check.
do you have the answer to their business model?

 

[RITVT]

evolve or die. its quite simple

 

[TessP100D]

evolve or die. its quite simple

I agree with you 100%

 

[R1SBoater]

do you have the answer to their business model?

The legacy manufacturers do not own the dealership networks and do not have a direct stake in their success or failure. Large dealership networks are legitimately terrified of the BEV revolution for the exact reasons you site, which is why their lobbying groups are fighting tooth and nail to keep the Teslas and Rivians of the world from selling direct to consumers, or at least make it as difficult and costly as humanly possible. Thankfully they are slowly loosing that battle and, with any luck, the BEV revolution will hopefully eventually kill the franchise dealership model as we know it today. Dealerships are in many ways a historical anachronism that do not really serve much purpose in the modern vehicle market aside from serving as middlemen who suck money out of consumers' pockets and profits out of manufacturers' financials. While the legacy manufacturers can't afford to and aren't contractually allowed to ditch their dealerships yet, most have in one way or another indicated that in the long run, they'd prefer to be rid of them as well. Just a couple of years ago GM essentially bough out a number of their smaller and lower performing dealers who were unwilling to upgrade facilities to support modern hybrid and BEV offerings from Cadillac, which is just one small but evocative piece of evidence for what I'm saying. This isn't just a random opinion, do a little googling and you can find any number of articles that discuss these points.

So short answer is, BEVs may well kill the dealers' business model, which would actually be good for everyone, including the manufacturers. The manufacturers themselves would strongly prefer to not have to eat the cost of paying dealers to perform warranty support services on vehicles that won't require nearly as much service in the first place. Its a win-win for everyone but the middlemen.