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I want to love my Rivian and I really want to see them succeed. However, my truck is 6 weeks old and has a laundry list of problems. It has been in the shop once and is headed back in next week.

Rivian is hemorrhaging money. My fear is I will be stuck with a truck that has no one to service it and it will be impossible to sell.

For me, I can see I made a decision to buy one too early. I have high hopes and will keep positive vibes for Rivian, but I am in the process with Rivian to buy back my R1T. I just dont see the value at $86,000. It is a lot of fun and joy to drive, just not $86,000 fun, IMO!
I ordered and bought my Rivian before the price increase plus received the $7500 fed tax credit and a state rebate, drove it for 1.5 years and loved every minute but made the decision to trade it about a month ago and went back to an ICE. My R1T was trouble free but I did not do road trips as I did not want to deal with charging anxiety, also as it was my first pickup truck it was more vehicle than I needed. As an avid reader of these forums I was monitoring the cost of repairs for minor fender benders and such and now I'm reading about the inevitable premium price increases of 40% or more. After the recent not so positive earnings report you now have the possibility of the company going under within the next couple of years. I do hope Rivian makes it and maybe I'll be back in an R2S in a few years but for now I'm glad I experienced the R1T and I am glad I am out.
 
My launch edition has been worth every penny. I love it! I’m having my 7,500 mile service done next week. I love the mobile option.

Did anyone read the article about Hertz selling their EV fleet? Well, what can I say… with every piece of tech nowadays comes the challenge of regulation and I don’t mean regulatory compliance stuff. I mean regulating delinquent drivers. It’s a tough topic and not easy to solve, but car rental companies should regulate/govern the way EV drivers use their vehicles. The cost of EV vehicle repairs is still cost prohibitive, so perhaps the business model doesn’t work for car rental companies yet. I bring this up because any negative publicity like Hertz has a negative effect on EV sales in general.

Shifting gears back to Rivian’s financial results. Has anyone compared disruptive technologies in our modern history?

Apple is one of the greatest comeback stories in tech history. Founder Steve Jobs was fired from the company in 1985. In the 12 years that followed, Apple found itself operating at a loss as it inched towards bankruptcy. Needing a refresh, Apple hired back Jobs in 1997 and he orchestrated a partnership with Microsoft to invest in $150 million into the company. A year later, the company introduced the iMac and for the first time since 1995, returned to profitability. The rest is history.”

By the way, Apple had plenty of competition: Sun Microsystems, Digital Equipment Corporation, Hitachi, Dynix, Cray and the list goes on.
 
For every Apple type turnaround there are 10 that don't make it and/or get bought out including DEC, Sun Micro, and Cray. Rivian will be on life support until they can ramp up production in a crowded EV market which had explosive growth initially but is now slowing and will possibly flatten out at around 14% of global sales in the near term, at least until in my opinion the charging net work becomes as easy as a gas station is for ICEs. In a recent WSJ article it talked about legacy car makers like Mercedes and GM having legacy ICE vehicles to fall back on to support the cost of transitioning to EVs. That being said it is a high risk high reward bet on Rivian stock as well as investing 80K in a Rivian vehicle.
 
The market being down for EVs has almost nothing to do with Rivian or even EVs in general. It’s that EVs are expensive and the era of free money is over. That’s the whole idea behind raising interest rates, cooling the economy.

The fed raises rates and announces why yet so many people are acting surprised that luxury purchases are slowing down. No shit, that is by design.
 
Buy high and sell low, that's your strategy? I told you a year ago you had about 4-6 quarters left until bad times were coming. I am enjoying my new Navigator Black Label, not a single issue. Look at all the previous posts where I told you the company was in for hard times.
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Give up? This dog hasn't hunted in two years!
 

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And yet I've made a lot of money trading Rivian over the past year. Another Wall Street panic is just another chance to buy at a good price in order to turn a profit.

IIRC you said Rivian only had 4 quarters of money left before they went bankrupt. You were wrong by about $8 billion.
 
come on y’all. It took Tesla 17 years to become profitable and look at how high they’re stock went. They have a great product, and Amazon along with others are converting their fleet to their product. Give them time.
Tesla and Rivian's performances are nothing alike. Tesla was gross margin positive early on even with the Model S.

Rivian is nowhere close to gross margin positive.

Then, if they ever get to gross marging positive, they will still be operating margin negative for a while.

So they will need to raise a lot of cash and dilute current shareholders quite a bit I think.
 
And yet I've made a lot of money trading Rivian over the past year. Another Wall Street panic is just another chance to buy at a good price in order to turn a profit.

IIRC you said Rivian only had 4 quarters of money left before they went bankrupt. You were wrong by about $8 billion.
"You have a lot of money trading Rivian over the last year". Look at your old post and where you were buying (if you were buying). Over the last twelve months, it's down .50 cents a share in a fantastic market; the only more meaningless thing you did was post 1,407 times, which made you about as much money.
And yet I've made a lot of money trading Rivian over the past year. Another Wall Street panic is just another chance to buy at a good price in order to turn a profit.

IIRC you said Rivian only had 4 quarters of money left before they went bankrupt. You were wrong by about $8 billion.
"You have made a lot of money trading Rivian over the last year.”


Look at your old post, and you lost your can and where you were buying (if you were buying).


S&P 500 12 Month Total Return is 18.86%, compared to 26.29% last month. Over the last twelve months, Rivian is down .50 cents a share in this fantastic market; the only more meaningless thing you did was post 1,407 times, which made you about as much money.

Rivian is bankrupt. If they had not taken out more loans and issued higher-risk bonds for operating cash, they would be out of money. You can't even read a balance sheet. You seem to leave that out. Why do you think they are cutting the forecast of now of any increased production and laying off 10% of the workforce?

My prediction was dead on; if you want some of your old quotes predicting $50, $60, or $100 a share, and the new plant running in 2024, I will feed them to you. If my prediction were wrong and predicted a big issue in four to six quarters a year ago (which is happening now), show them on the board or close up the pie hole.
 
And yet I've made a lot of money trading Rivian over the past year. Another Wall Street panic is just another chance to buy at a good price in order to turn a profit.

IIRC you said Rivian only had 4 quarters of money left before they went bankrupt. You were wrong by about $8 billion.
OH, HORRENDOUS, You recommend pulling the trigger at $24.70 a share; now you're near single digits, and you're making money? RIGHT! CFO said profitable this year. NOPE. Right on target and they can't increase production over 50K units in 2024 even? How do you turn a profit? I read 25 pages of your threads, almost two a day, as a fanboy. Don't pee down the board's poster backs and tell them it's just raining. The company borrowed again and issued low rated bonds, not wrong by $8 million, the company diluted their shares, which they will do again. The company is in the world of hurt! Later!
 

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OH HORRENDOUS, You recommend pulling the trigger at $24.70 a share, now your near single digits and your making money? RIGHT! CEO said profitable this year? NOPE. Right on target and they can't increase production over 50K units in 2024 even? How do you turn a profit? 25 pages of your threads, almost two a day as a fanboy. Don't pee down the boards back and tell them it's just rain. Company is in world of hurt! Later!
Got to love how CEOs always paint a rosy picture, I'm sure RJ will say all the right things about the R2 this quarter.
 
Got to love how CEOs always paint a rosy picture, I'm sure RJ will say all the right things about the R2 this quarter.
I was an initial order holder, and at nearly $80K, I thought what a great truck, but several things made me cancel my order almost a year ago. First, I would have to drive almost an hour to the Steele Street service center in Denver for any service over a reasonable warranty period. That was acceptable, except many initial defects with units bothered me, and then they stated they could not give out loaners, just Uber vouchers to get home. The cost reductions came on things like the Bosch Motors and Mark Levinson (Harmon Kardon) sound system to save money, yet Rivian stated they thought it sounded better. My order was already in, so kinda of a ding. Then, the company's financials got scary in each quarter's report. The CFO had her illusions of profit mid this year, and production would increase over 2023's goal of 50K units. It made no sense because of current inflation, rising interest rates, and increased competition in the space, with the competitors' ability to absorb cost cuts either by gas unit profits or the economy of a much larger scale like Tesla. I went with another Navigator Black Label; the previous one lasted me 12 years. I took advantage of the stock IPO and got out at $59.00, so I lost a grand. I am no deep analyst, but the quarterly calls by the CEO and CFO and continuous changes of top production and plant managers and engineers looked suspicious. Maybe they make it great, but I had to cancel. I had my daughters drive several Saabs when they went to college; they had decent cars, good rooms, economy, excellent warranties, and were very safe, but getting parts and service was a nightmare when they went under. I could not change it again; with one service center in Denver that I went down to and talked to people going in and out, many just were not happy with their $70-$80K trucks and SUV service at that price point, or even if they spent $45K. I went with another Navigator (I tow horse trailers short distances, so I need an SUV). 26K miles, it has never been in for an issue; oil changes, they come to pick it up, give me another Navigator, and bring mine back in a day. I wish the company and you buyers luck; I only get 20 miles to a gallon, but we all have different needs and experiences based on our buying decisions. Some posters troll everyone who may have a doubt. Everyone works or serves our country, as I did for 30-plus years, to earn a living and purchase what they desire. But a poster that rips any negative comment or concern and then says he has made a lot of money of Rivian Stock THIS year, you got to probably take with a grain of salt (or 50lb bag). Best of Success to you all!
 
At what point does this become a self fulfilling prophecy? Dropping $72-100k on a company predicted to bankrupt? the target market is financial astute. WSJ,NYT, and even market watch are sounding the alarms. Concerns about bankruptcy impedes sales which ensures bankruptcy will occur. How to brake the cycle?
 
I was an initial order holder, and at nearly $80K, I thought what a great truck, but several things made me cancel my order almost a year ago. First, I would have to drive almost an hour to the Steele Street service center in Denver for any service over a reasonable warranty period. That was acceptable, except many initial defects with units bothered me, and then they stated they could not give out loaners, just Uber vouchers to get home. The cost reductions came on things like the Bosch Motors and Mark Levinson (Harmon Kardon) sound system to save money, yet Rivian stated they thought it sounded better. My order was already in, so kinda of a ding. Then, the company's financials got scary in each quarter's report. The CFO had her illusions of profit mid this year, and production would increase over 2023's goal of 50K units. It made no sense because of current inflation, rising interest rates, and increased competition in the space, with the competitors' ability to absorb cost cuts either by gas unit profits or the economy of a much larger scale like Tesla. I went with another Navigator Black Label; the previous one lasted me 12 years. I took advantage of the stock IPO and got out at $59.00, so I lost a grand. I am no deep analyst, but the quarterly calls by the CEO and CFO and continuous changes of top production and plant managers and engineers looked suspicious. Maybe they make it great, but I had to cancel. I had my daughters drive several Saabs when they went to college; they had decent cars, good rooms, economy, excellent warranties, and were very safe, but getting parts and service was a nightmare when they went under. I could not change it again; with one service center in Denver that I went down to and talked to people going in and out, many just were not happy with their $70-$80K trucks and SUV service at that price point, or even if they spent $45K. I went with another Navigator (I tow horse trailers short distances, so I need an SUV). 26K miles, it has never been in for an issue; oil changes, they come to pick it up, give me another Navigator, and bring mine back in a day. I wish the company and you buyers luck; I only get 20 miles to a gallon, but we all have different needs and experiences based on our buying decisions. Some posters troll everyone who may have a doubt. Everyone works or serves our country, as I did for 30-plus years, to earn a living and purchase what they desire. But a poster that rips any negative comment or concern and then says he has made a lot of money of Rivian Stock THIS year, you got to probably take with a grain of salt (or 50lb bag). Best of Success to you all!
I stayed out.

Why?

Because during chaotic economic times gold, commodities and inflationary positive things go up.

Even institutional level things like... wait for it.. NETFLIX, (i.e. the new cable) did a serious V shape recovery

Rivian is also still too niche for me, R2 should theoretically help maneuver them out of that.
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At what point does this become a self fulfilling prophecy? Dropping $72-100k on a company predicted to bankrupt? the target market is financial astute. WSJ,NYT, and even market watch are sounding the alarms. Concerns about bankruptcy impedes sales which ensures bankruptcy will occur. How to brake the cycle?
R2 should do it. That's supposed to be Rivian's Tesla Model 3 moment.

Funny how new R2 info rolled out right before the quarterly report. Coincidence?

Elon Musk even said "the actual hard part of making a car company work is achieving volume production with positive cash flow"

R2 can achieve that.
 
I was an initial order holder, and at nearly $80K, I thought what a great truck, but several things made me cancel my order almost a year ago. First, I would have to drive almost an hour to the Steele Street service center in Denver for any service over a reasonable warranty period. That was acceptable, except many initial defects with units bothered me, and then they stated they could not give out loaners, just Uber vouchers to get home. The cost reductions came on things like the Bosch Motors and Mark Levinson (Harmon Kardon) sound system to save money, yet Rivian stated they thought it sounded better. My order was already in, so kinda of a ding. Then, the company's financials got scary in each quarter's report. The CFO had her illusions of profit mid this year, and production would increase over 2023's goal of 50K units. It made no sense because of current inflation, rising interest rates, and increased competition in the space, with the competitors' ability to absorb cost cuts either by gas unit profits or the economy of a much larger scale like Tesla. I went with another Navigator Black Label; the previous one lasted me 12 years. I took advantage of the stock IPO and got out at $59.00, so I lost a grand. I am no deep analyst, but the quarterly calls by the CEO and CFO and continuous changes of top production and plant managers and engineers looked suspicious. Maybe they make it great, but I had to cancel. I had my daughters drive several Saabs when they went to college; they had decent cars, good rooms, economy, excellent warranties, and were very safe, but getting parts and service was a nightmare when they went under. I could not change it again; with one service center in Denver that I went down to and talked to people going in and out, many just were not happy with their $70-$80K trucks and SUV service at that price point, or even if they spent $45K. I went with another Navigator (I tow horse trailers short distances, so I need an SUV). 26K miles, it has never been in for an issue; oil changes, they come to pick it up, give me another Navigator, and bring mine back in a day. I wish the company and you buyers luck; I only get 20 miles to a gallon, but we all have different needs and experiences based on our buying decisions. Some posters troll everyone who may have a doubt. Everyone works or serves our country, as I did for 30-plus years, to earn a living and purchase what they desire. But a poster that rips any negative comment or concern and then says he has made a lot of money of Rivian Stock THIS year, you got to probably take with a grain of salt (or 50lb bag). Best of Success to you all!
Why do you hang out here if you don’t own or have plans to buy a Rivian?
 
There are no drastic changes to make. There is execution, and it needs to be solid. Rivian was always going to have a tough business to get established. The gift of its very generous IPO is something that likely helps it survive. RJ might want to do a little more Elon style promoting, until interest rates fall again and expensive cars become more affordable.
 
Why do you hang out here if you don’t own or have plans to buy a Rivian?
I don't hang out here other than today when what I predicted about five quarters ago is coming to fruition. I have posted since I canceled my order and sold my stock off. O. horridus and you up there "with everything looks good". I was one of the earliest order holders for the R1S, and I still think it's a great truck; the company and its financials are the problem. Look at their conference calls from the last six quarters, promising profit this year. O. horridus trolled my every post, stating I did not know the industry, and so on. Look at a few of his posts above in my comment where he is starting to pull the trigger on the stock at nearly $25.00. And he made a lot of money over the last year. Funny, Rivian or their investment banks have not. At over 1400 posts, the guy's statements are a joke. Looks like you are on his cheerleading squad yourself.
 

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@BlackH20: I though you canceled your Rivian order and quit the forum - that was almost 10 months ago, right? Are you back just to troll or try to claim "I told you so"? And what is your strange fascination with how many posts I've made? In case you're wondering, no one missed you ...

O. horridus trolled my every post
Here's how forums work: I get a notice whenever someone responds to me. If that someone says something stupid, I respond. You say a lot of stupid things.

In case you didn't notice, it is YOU who came back from the dead just to attack me - I'm only responding because you quoted my post with an idiotic comment.

So let me respond to your baseless personal attacks. Let's stick with facts.
"You have made a lot of money trading Rivian over the last year.”

Look at your old post, and you lost your can and where you were buying (if you were buying).

S&P 500 12 Month Total Return is 18.86%, compared to 26.29% last month. Over the last twelve months, Rivian is down .50 cents a share in this fantastic market; the only more meaningless thing you did was post 1,407 times, which made you about as much money.
Let's start with this. There's no rule in the stock market that forces you to buy and hold. What I have been doing is buy when I think it is a good deal, then sell when I make enough profit to satisfy me. In the case of Rivian, I bought at the IPO. Everyone who did their research knew it was overpriced at opening, so the value was mostly just typical irrational enthusiasm from Wall Street and speculators. But I bought at $78 anyway since we were limited to just 175 shares so it wasn't much money, and I thought they had a good product (and still do).

I almost sold the first day when it hit something like $106. That's a lot of profit for one day. But I hung on for a while. Once the price almost doubled, I realized there is no way to keep this up so I sold at a huge gain. I later used that money to reinvest when the stock dropped a lot more. My subsequent buys have been less speculative.

In case you aren't paying attention, Rivian is a risky investment and has a lot of swing. By buying the dip (well, DCA around the dip - I can't see the future) then selling when the stock goes up 10% or 20% or 50% or even 100% within a short period of time (which it has done at least a half dozen times since the IPO), I continue to profit. And I'm investing just the money I made from the IPO, so yeah, I basically own several thousand shares at no cost. So while the value of my shares goes up and down, all of that money is pure profit. I've doubled my money several times.

It seems like you also bought the IPO (high) then sold at a loss (low). That's not how you make money. And selling right now, when the stock is at an all time low, is just a way to lock in a loss. If you don't have any faith in the company then don't buy in the first place. If you lose complete faith, then sell before you regret it.

My prediction was dead on; if you want some of your old quotes predicting $50, $60, or $100 a share, and the new plant running in 2024, I will feed them to you. If my prediction were wrong and predicted a big issue in four to six quarters a year ago (which is happening now), show them on the board or close up the pie hole.
Your prediction of what? That they would run out of money in 4 quarters? Is $8B in the bank plus another $1.5B from bonds your idea of running out of money?

I really doubt you can quote me predicting share price, because I don't think of stocks in terms of target price and absolute price - I never have. I think in terms of value and relative pricing. And I can state flat out that I never predicted a share price of $100, because I have never believed it was ever worth that much. Go ahead and quote me IN CONTEXT if you can. If I mentioned price it was for argument's sake either as a hypothetical case or hyperbole - both of which I use quite a bit.

And why did you even post, just to pick a fight? If you don't want other people's opinions then perhaps keep muttering to yourself in private where you won't be contradicted. You didn't have to jump in here - no one asked you.
 
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