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Rivian has a new competitor in the electric delivery van market as Karma has revealed their "E-Flex" utility van.

On Karma's website, the company says that the van will have a fully electric range of up to 200 miles, and a combined range of 400 miles with a range extender. They also say that the van has commercial applications as commercial delivery fleet vehicles, shuttle buses, tradesman service vehicles and personal applications as a camper van.

Here's their full announcement:

Irvine, Calif. (April 30, 2020) – Karma Automotive today announced its E-Flex utility van platform with extended range electric vehicle (EREV) architecture. The new platform is one of five demonstration projects designed to illustrate Karma’s technical direction and capabilities through the use of highly versatile EREV and battery electric (BEV) chassis systems.

Karma’s new EREV E-Flex Van platform provides the ability to have flexible all-electric range up to 200 miles, and combined range of over 400 miles depending upon configurations and commercial applications. Suitable for a variety of mobility solutions, the EREV van platform can also be retrofitted to products including commercial delivery fleet vehicles, shuttle buses, tradesman service vehicles, camper vans and more. The E-Flex platform with EREV technology offers flexibility and range not found in today’s BEVs. This technology provides a host of benefits including sustainable driving with extended range due to the on-board generator, adherence to clean air zones for city driving and quieter transport for passengers.

Karma’s E-Flex Platform leverages the company’s proprietary technology, manufacturing and design services to offer partners innovative electric mobility solutions. Using the Karma E-Flex Platform, vehicle manufacturers can optimize development costs to engineer, test, certify and build an EREV or BEV platform, allowing electrification of their products with greater speed and efficiency.

“Electrification represents a growing shift in the mobility industry, not only in consumer vehicles but in commercial vehicles as well. Karma is staying ahead of the curve by offering electric platform solutions for partners’ new and existing products,” said Karma Automotive Vice President of Business Development, Lewis Liu. “Our Karma EREV E-Flex van platform offers a variety of e-powertrain configurations and a flexible design. We provide the canvas for our partners to create mobility solutions their way, while integrating Karma technology that has been featured and validated by our 2020 Revero GT on the road today.”

The EREV Van platform can be delivered as powertrain kit for existing chassis or can be delivered as the E-Flex platforms These solutions are developed at the Karma Innovation and Customization Center (KICC), Karma’s state-of-the-art assembly plant in Moreno Valley, Calif. All E-Flex platforms feature proven Karma technology including production Revero GT drive motors in various configurations, gearbox, suspension, subframes and steering, in addition to production body structure parts. Most components have achieved over a million miles of Karma testing and in-market validation, ensuring Karma’s proven knowledge and award-winning vehicle technology are featured in each platform.

The EREV van platform is the latest in a series of development projects featuring the Karma E-Flex Platform. Other Karma E-Flex platform exhibitions recently showcased include the company’s signature EREV platform, a BEV van equipped with SAE®[1] Level 4 autonomous technology, and a high-performance platform with supercar-capable architecture. Additional components also available include Karma’s new SiC inverters. Karma also recently announced plans to build its future Revero GTE; a pure battery-electric version of its award-winning Revero GT, on a dual-motor Karma E-Flex Platform.



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This van could very well be a hoax. Jalopnik received news from a whistleblower at Karma about how there are massive layoffs at the company and that some of their prototypes are fake, including the E-Flex.

The problem is that, according to our source, the E-Flex platforms shown are “movie props,” with only one actually capable of being driven. Our source says they themselves “helped build half of it,” and that the chassis being shown is simply a production Revero GT chassis that has been modified, and not a new, unique—albeit Revero GT-derived—platform as suggested.

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Our source states that the E-Flex platforms being shown, as in this picture from Karma here, are simply production Revero unibodies taken from the production line and cut down. Our source claims that “nothing has been proven to function whatsoever.

 

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Even if it was real, Karma would have a tough time with existing cargo van makers that can easily dominate this segment (ex. Mercedes)
 

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This van could very well be a hoax. Jalopnik received news from a whistleblower at Karma about how there are massive layoffs at the company and that some of their prototypes are fake, including the E-Flex.

The problem is that, according to our source, the E-Flex platforms shown are “movie props,” with only one actually capable of being driven. Our source says they themselves “helped build half of it,” and that the chassis being shown is simply a production Revero GT chassis that has been modified, and not a new, unique—albeit Revero GT-derived—platform as suggested.

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Our source states that the E-Flex platforms being shown, as in this picture from Karma here, are simply production Revero unibodies taken from the production line and cut down. Our source claims that “nothing has been proven to function whatsoever.

That was a pretty damning article to read about Karma. Let's see if it's true because they're also promoting an electric pickup of their own.
 

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That was a pretty damning article to read about Karma. Let's see if it's true because they're also promoting an electric pickup of their own.
A JV opportunity was also mentioned and its a great way for Karma to really build momentum.
 

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A JV opportunity was also mentioned and its a great way for Karma to really build momentum.
If things are as grave as that article suggests, that could be the only way for them to even stay in business.
 

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Ah yes, cash flow might not be a problem then as proven with other large Chinese investments here.
On top of the money, it's hard to tell how they'll react to stuff like this. For all we know they'll just sell the company and cut their losses tomorrow.
 

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The writing is on the wall, and this is just a recent sample:

 

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The writing is on the wall, and this is just a recent sample:

It can be very beneficial to have Chinese investors that's for sure. But when it comes to Karma everything seems up in the air.
 
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