[sciencegeek]

It makes total sense to pair the max pack with dual motor, maximizing range for those who need it.

 

[cmerritt408]

I wonder if they'll offer old MAX reservation holders the option to change from Quad to Dual motor, without a price increase. Should save them money, allow the buyer to get their truck sooner, and net a vehicle with the overall best range to boot.

I also wonder if the MAX pack is 800v. Maybe re-engineering the existing Quad motor system to 800v is the reason for its delay, while the freshly engineered Dual setup is ready to go.

All that being said, could really care less if it's '23 or '24 or even '25, as long as they don't "cancel" the MAX pack to avoid old reservation holders or go bankrupt before shipping'em

 

[Yossarian]

I wonder if they'll offer old MAX reservation holders the option to change from Quad to Dual motor, without a price increase. Should save them money, allow the buyer to get their truck sooner, and net a vehicle with the overall best range to boot.

I also wonder if the MAX pack is 800v. Maybe re-engineering the existing Quad motor system to 800v is the reason for its delay, while the freshly engineered Dual setup is ready to go.

All that being said, could really care less if it's '23 or '24 or even '25, as long as they don't "cancel" the MAX pack to avoid old reservation holders or go bankrupt before shipping'em

There was a post of an excerpt from Customer Support on that topic on another Rivian forum. While you can change from the quad to the dual-motor without penalty, per CS, "that change will subject you the price increases." The rep went on to say that you should keep your quad-motor reservation in place if you want to preserve the old pricing.

I'm OK with that, and with what will certainly be substantial further delay, as long as Rivian actually produces and delivers the quad-motor Max configuration. I suspect however that the plan is to offer the Max paired only with the dual-motor, a new configuration not previously offered and kill off the quad-motor Max. While this kind of screws existing Max reservation holders, it is highly beneficial for Rivian's production and bottom lines. I would expect that to soften the blow, Max reservations holders would still be able to change to a Long Range R1T or R1S at the old price however. Of course, that will mean an even longer wait as you will go to (or close to) the end of the delivery line.

There was a Tony C email and on-line interview in which he promised more information on the Max "within weeks", so we may shortly know more.

 

[RivianAtlanta]

There was a post of an excerpt from Customer Support on that topic on another Rivian forum. While you can change from the quad to the dual-motor without penalty, per CS, "that change will subject you the price increases." The rep went on to say that you should keep your quad-motor reservation in place if you want to preserve the old pricing.

I'm OK with that, and with what will certainly be substantial further delay, as long as Rivian actually produces and delivers the quad-motor Max configuration. I suspect however that the plan is to offer the Max paired only with the dual-motor, a new configuration not previously offered and kill off the quad-motor Max. While this kind of screws existing Max reservation holders, it is highly beneficial for Rivian's production and bottom lines. I would expect that to soften the blow, Max reservations holders would still be able to change to a Long Range R1T or R1S at the old price however. Of course, that will mean an even longer wait as you will go to (or close to) the end of the delivery line.

There was a Tony C email and on-line interview in which he promised more information on the Max "within weeks", so we may shortly know more.

 

[RivianAtlanta]

Am very disappointed in the Max Pack delay to “2024”…I hope there is a great reason for why those reservations will be outstanding for up to 4 years. I hope they rethink this as that is not an acceptable timeline for people who have stuck with it for as long as they have. And really-how disruptive is it to make these vs the large pack? My guess is they are not capable of hitting the 400+ mileage estimate that they initially suggested.

 

[ColeAK]

My guess is they overpromised on range. Makes me feel batter about my decision to cancel and put my $1k in RIVN a while back.

 

[MicroNateID]

Holding steady with max pack for now... dropping Rivian when a competitor offers max pack equivalent option...

 

[Nexus]

Anyone know how this will affect the EV tax credit? I converted $100 of my deposit prior to the inflation reduction act thinking I'd be getting my truck in 2023 and using the tax credits then. Will those tax credits still be usable in 2024 (or 2025, or whenever)?

 

[trevtremaine]

Holding steady with max pack for now... dropping Rivian when a competitor offers max pack equivalent option...

Odds are that'll happen in 2024...

 

[MicroNateID]

Odds are that'll happen in 2024...

Or 2025... 2026... etc

 

[Yossarian]

Odds are that'll happen in 2024...

While there is certainly a chance for the Max in 2024, I suspect that the odds actually favor a further delay, perhaps even a lengthy one.

At this point, it's pretty clear that the original Max design has been abandoned, but what unclear is how far along Rivian is with the new design. My suspicion is that the Max is a fairly low priority for Rivian, possibly because of its relatively low demand (if we believe Rivian, the Max is about 22% of R1T orders.)

On the other hand, demand for a less expensive but still highly capable BEV is very high, and Rivian is clearly racing to fill that demand with the dual-motor. Given that Rivian has already stated the the dual-motor will be available before the Max, it's pretty clear - and understandable - where the company's priorities are.

Given the lesser demand and likely lower priority of the R1T Max, I think we should expect that its development will be prolonged and its production delayed. It should not be a surprise to see delivery of the Max pushed beyond 2024 to 2025 or even further.

 

[RivianAtlanta]

The Max pack looks like more of a marketing ploy than reality. They likely don’t have the capability to make this happen rather than supply/production issues. The max pack dual motor is another SKU as well That they are planning on making available before the quad max pack reservation holders. Can make an argument that the quad motor configuration with max pack vs the dual motor with max pack when comparing to the current quad with large pack is far less complicated and disruptive to a production line. They are again forgetting the 20% of us that had this configuration-these were supposed to be delivered now. 2024 is a long time from now.

 

[trevtremaine]

While there is certainly a chance for the Max in 2024, I suspect that the odds actually favor a further delay, perhaps even a lengthy one.

At this point, it's pretty clear that the original Max design has been abandoned, but what unclear is how far along Rivian is with the new design. My suspicion is that the Max is a fairly low priority for Rivian, possibly because of its relatively low demand (if we believe Rivian, the Max is about 22% of R1T orders.)

On the other hand, demand for a less expensive but still highly capable BEV is very high, and Rivian is clearly racing to fill that demand with the dual-motor. Given that Rivian has already stated the the dual-motor will be available before the Max, it's pretty clear - and understandable - where the company's priorities are.

Given the lesser demand and likely lower priority of the R1T Max, I think we should expect that its development will be prolonged and its production delayed. It should not be a surprise to see delivery of the Max pushed beyond 2024 to 2025 or even further.

Now hold on. In the email that Rivian sent out they indicated that you can get the MaxPack but only with the DUAL motor R1T starting in mid-2023. Unless they qualify this further and indicate that they're actually using a smaller pack based on the range difference between the dual vs the quad - which they haven't - then why should I presume they've changed anything to do with the MaxPack? I haven't seen or read anything to say they're reworking the MaxPack other than pure speculation in various forums without anything qualifying it. So, where did you hear this that validates the claims of a modified MaxPack?

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

IMO, the existing "max pack or nothing" crowd has basically said they will endure whatever comes, so Rivian has no incentive to prioritize those deliveries. Anything else they can build/ship that is higher margin will get prioritized, at this point, because they know they're unlikely to actually lose anyone over it.

I feel really good about my decision to switch to Large package. Been driving my R1T for 5 months, already, and it'll be 18+ months in the seat before I'd even have a shot at the original max config, at this point... At some point people should consider that they may have been able to be on their second R1 product in the time it takes to get their first/original "quad/max" config delivered.

 

[RivianAtlanta]

Max Pack Quad motor reservation holders may have been provided a favor by those taking the large pack instead so they can be the ones addressing all the items that Rivian needs to fix in larger quantities - in essence max pack quad motors are getting the 2nd generation Rivian. Not producing the orders they have on hand will only hurt them in the long run-and Rivian knows that as well. The fact is they need to produce a lot more vehicles very soon to hit Wall Street expectations and fulfill Amazon expectations. I plan on keeping my vehicle for a long time and battery degradation is real-max pack will turn into large pack miles after a few years.

 

[MicroNateID]

Max pack or competition is what that should hear. 400+ "optimal conditions" is less than this in real use conditions.

I think Rivian will deliver when they have sufficient battery supply. In the meanwhile they will deliver to city slickers (Californians) with ev chargers placed every 20 miles who pose as "adventure seekers" 30-80 miles from home on the weekends. 😄

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

I think Rivian will deliver when they have sufficient battery supply. In the meanwhile they will deliver to city slickers (Californians) with ev chargers placed every 20 miles who pose as "adventure seekers" 30-80 miles from home on the weekends. 😄

I’m not really sure why you think it’s appropriate to insult people who don’t fit your definition of whatever “Marlboro Man“ fantasy is playing in your head?

 

[cmerritt408]

I’m not really sure why you think it’s appropriate to insult people who don’t fit your definition of whatever “Marlboro Man“ fantasy is playing in your head?

California is indeed a rather large place, states are big on the left coast so there's lots of middle of nowhere to go out and find for City Sliders and Marlboro Men alike.

Kinda funny looking back on that video lol, just 9 months ago and so much has changed, pricing gone way up, no more R1S MAX option, R1T options slowly getting whittled down...

 

[thebishman]

Instead of an actual physically larger battery pack, I wonder if the delay is to allow time for higher density batteries to be developed so that within the existing battery packs currently being used, the ‘Max Pack’ simply will entail a greater KWhr battery from increased density alone.