[Johnerma]

Hi, all! Has anyone gotten any info regarding Rivian offering the V2G or V2H option? The Ford Lightning EV offers this option, and we want that option too. We’re off-grid & solar. It’s getting late in the game for Rivian to play catch up or tell us when this will be available.

 

[EyeOnRivian]

I have not seen/read any news of Rivian offering V2G or V2H as of yet. However, the R1's will have V2V, in specific, Rivian to Rivian charging.

 

[Johnerma]

Hello, EyeOnRivian. This is a big deal for us and many other folks who are off grid. Makes more sense for us to buy a large capacity electric battery/truck (Rivian) than spend $25,000 on a Tesla powerwall. Rivian’s delay makes the Ford Lightning’s V2H option tempting

 

[EyeOnRivian]

I'm a little hesitant to say Rivian is playing catch-up with their EAVs launching in the next couple of months where Ford had announced mid 2022 for the Lightning, and that assumes no delays and you're at the front of the line. If the "future" Lightning meets your "current" needs, then it probably makes sense for you to wait.

Personally, with Rivian's current target segment of the adventure vehicle owner, it's hard to say where V2H or V2G is on their list of priorities. I think as V2H/G gets discussed more, especially from the Rivian crowd, it can only increase the chances Rivian implements one or both of these features sooner than later. However, if to support these features requires hardware changes, then I doubt they would be available on the R1 series. As I've mentioned to others there's nothing like telling Rivian directly. If you haven't already, I'd encourage you to express your specific needs for an EV directly to Rivian. Send them an email. Call or chat with their Customer Support. Log it directly with Rivian. And keep after them!

 

[R1TFTW]

My money says absolutely not going to happen. V2h, when used, will increase discharge cycles of the battery without adding miles… and rivian is shooting for 180k mile warranty vs 100k for f150… This is too much of a liability to result in battery loss of function within warranty parameters at a much lower mileage. It would be nice, but 180k mile warranty is also nice.

Maybe I am wrong, but it sounds reasonable anyway.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

My money says absolutely not going to happen. V2h, when used, will increase discharge cycles of the battery without adding miles… and rivian is shooting for 180k mile warranty vs 100k for f150… This is too much of a liability to result in battery loss of function within warranty parameters at a much lower mileage. It would be nice, but 180k mile warranty is also nice.

Maybe I am wrong, but it sounds reasonable anyway.

That’s an interesting point. And if you drive aggressively you’ll put more stress/wear on the battery compared to someone who cruises at 55mph long distances, too.

I wonder if we’ll start to see EV warranties shift towards a maximum number of discharge cycles instead of miles?

 

[AJR1 S I think?]

My money says absolutely not going to happen. V2h, when used, will increase discharge cycles of the battery without adding miles… and rivian is shooting for 180k mile warranty vs 100k for f150… This is too much of a liability to result in battery loss of function within warranty parameters at a much lower mileage. It would be nice, but 180k mile warranty is also nice.

Maybe I am wrong, but it sounds reasonable anyway.

I like your logic here. Hope your wrong though as it would be a cool feature to have.

 

[SANZCO2]

I like your logic here. Hope your wrong though as it would be a cool feature to have.

Would increase the discharge cycle but I think much less stressful to the battery pack. I always thought that is why they are saying when they reach end of use in the vehicle they are still going to be suitable for grid storage.

 

[echodelta]

Would increase the discharge cycle but I think much less stressful to the battery pack. I always thought that is why they are saying when they reach end of use in the vehicle they are still going to be suitable for grid storage.

The issue is max capacity degrades for many chemistries when kept at high SOC (state of charge) and with cycles. I agree with the comments showing skepticism and my bet is that those offering v2g will have terms of use that may change warranties.
unfortunately , other things I foresee is nerfing the vehicle plug options so that people don’t bridge a 240V 40 A cable between the car and an input plug.(not saying that’s good, saying that it is doable if you know what you’re doing). By nerfing I mean eg automatic shutoff after 3 hours, no more than X Ah per day, etc. You can be hardy and mitigate the pain but every inconvenience reduces the audience.

 

[SANZCO2]

The issue is max capacity degrades for many chemistries when kept at high SOC (state of charge) and with cycles. I agree with the comments showing skepticism and my bet is that those offering v2g will have terms of use that may change warranties.
unfortunately , other things I foresee is nerfing the vehicle plug options so that people don’t bridge a 240V 40 A cable between the car and an input plug.(not saying that’s good, saying that it is doable if you know what you’re doing). By nerfing I mean eg automatic shutoff after 3 hours, no more than X Ah per day, etc. You can be hardy and mitigate the pain but every inconvenience reduces the audience.

I could see that being a concern if someone was powering a remote cabin every weekend but as a truly emergency backup I don’t see it as a concern

I’ve been in this house for 13 years, had probably 3 outages totaling 10 hours and one of those was a recent 6 hour planned outage for grid maintenance.

 

[michtylu]

My money says absolutely not going to happen. V2h, when used, will increase discharge cycles of the battery without adding miles… and rivian is shooting for 180k mile warranty vs 100k for f150… This is too much of a liability to result in battery loss of function within warranty parameters at a much lower mileage. It would be nice, but 180k mile warranty is also nice.

Maybe I am wrong, but it sounds reasonable anyway.

 

[michtylu]

Actually there is no degradation of the Battery with V2G discharging go to Nuvve web site and learn about V2G it can actually extend the life of your battery using V2G. EV auto companies that don't offer V2G to their consumers will be left behind. in 2022 there will be over 20 EV's offing V2G capability. And Nuvve actually guarantees the manufactures warranties using V2G .

 

[michtylu]

Actually there is no degradation of the Battery with V2G discharging go to Nuvve web site and learn about V2G it can actually extend the life of your battery using V2G. EV auto companies that don't offer V2G to their consumers will be left behind. in 2022 there will be over 20 EV's offing V2G capability. And Nuvve actually guarantees the manufactures warranties using V2G .

 

[NY_Rob]

Okay new guy works for "Nuvve" whomever that is.

 

[NY_Rob]

Maybe time for a new forum rule... new members can't post till they have three posts under their belt

 

[michtylu]

Just saying you guys need to educate yourselves before posting misinformation..