[ColeAK]

The tire manufacturers are going to need to take a serious look at their product line given the significant increase in vehicle weights on BEV. Tesla owners are experiencing the same thing-- they may not be as big as the Rivian but relative to other small and mid-size sedans their weights are much greater. Tire manufactures have the ability to dial in and pro-long the tread life. Right now they are taking advantage of the consumer while in the honeymoon phase of the EV revolution. I see them expanding the line to greater curb weight and load offerings for premium $ saying you get more miles out of them. Eventually I see this becoming the standard but it will be 5-10 years I imagine before we start to see a reasonable price curve.

1 ton (and larger) trucks can weight way more then a Rivian GVWR up to 15k lbs, and get 30-50k miles out of a set of tires. Probably They should have designed the rivian around HD tires and 18” rims, and no way used p metrics on on any wheel OEM. Better performance, better tire life, more efficient,…

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

1 ton (and larger) trucks can weight way more then a Rivian GVWR up to 15k lbs, and get 30-50k miles out of a set of tires. Probably They should have designed the rivian around HD tires and 18” rims, and no way used p metrics on on any wheel OEM. Better performance, better tire life, more efficient,…

Better tire life, maybe... But not better handling/performance.

 

[scfies]

1 ton (and larger) trucks can weight way more then a Rivian GVWR up to 15k lbs, and get 30-50k miles out of a set of tires. Probably They should have designed the rivian around HD tires and 18” rims, and no way used p metrics on on any wheel OEM. Better performance, better tire life, more efficient,…

100% agree

But I do think the tire manufactures can dial in the tech and create an appropriate tire. It's where the trend is going. Smaller non-commercial vehicles with weight but also have need for cornering capabilities and serious 0-60.

 

[ColeAK]

Better tire life, maybe... But not better handling/performance.

Well it is a trade off. For the vast majority of owners an HD highway tire on 18” rims would be far superior to any of the OEM current options. For the small subset of those tracking their R1T there would be better options.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

Well it is a trade off. For the vast majority of owners an HD highway tire on 18” rims would be far superior to any of the OEM current options. For the small subset of those tracking their R1T there would be better options.

The average owner is in between those two extremes and for normal city use the HD highway tire is definitely going to give up handling performance -- even for those not tracking their vehicles.

 

[aasailor]

Rivian Tires are becoming a deal breaker. Why any company would redesign an entirely new tire size is inexcusable. Sorry but may just have to dump the R1t and take delivery on the Bronco Badlands. Really a shame. Very poor engineering. could have gone with a standard XL truck tire ie Ford F350 6 bolt... but messed up with an orphan design. Truly a Real deal breaker (along with the dysfunctional Navigation) and #1 reason to sell the other wise nice truck.

 

[aasailor]

Do you drive mostly in conserve mode? If so, switching to all purpose, will make a difference. Propelling a 6000 pound vehicle around by its front wheels only in addition to most of the braking and all of the steering will wear the front wheels down. But I agree that they won’t last 50k in any case.

I had a brand new Honda Odyssey that only gave 12,000 miles out of it’s original tires…

 

[thecadean]

I have 13,500 miles on my R1T. At 2000 miles the steering rack came loose and I had a ‘broken sub frame” on the right front. Both were covered under warrantee requiring shipping of the vehicle and 10 days absence. At 10,500 miles I installed snow tires and was told at the tire shop that they could not remount the right front tire in the spring, as it is worn to 4/32s. Left front is 6/32s, rears are 9/32S. At delivery my question on maintenance was meet with “nothing but replace the tires when there wear out”.

Rivian’s response to my asymmetric tire wear has been that I “missed The recommended tire rotation that was to be done at 5000 miles,” even though their own service center recommends 9000 miles, and I was not told this when I ask about maintenance at delivery. The Bellvue Service center’s position is that this is “normal wear”. If both front tires were worn to 4/32s I could accept this. The facts that the wear was asymmetric (right front) and that the wear on my Blizzacks after 3000 miles is symmetric, and that I had a broken subframe at 2000 miles on the same corner, makes their conclusion that this is “normal wear” illogical. I refuse to accept this illogical conclusion.

I have been working with Rivain since November. They cycle service advisers to communicate with me, very few who follow through on promises to return calls. I have suggested I be allowed to purchase a new set of tires and wheels (I need a set of wheels for my snow tires) and that they credit me for the one bad tire. I could then cycle the 3 tires I have into a rotation and avoid throwing them into the landfill.

The Rivian approach has been to wear me out, in the hope I will just go away. I need a logical explanation for my asymmetric tire wear. If I don’t get a logical explaination- I am like a sticky booger….they can shake all they want, but I’ll still be here.

It’s been over 3 months. I require an explanation that makes sense, or a credit for a tire. They have spent more man hours avoiding responsibility for this problem than the cost of giving me credit for a tire. I have given Rivian a simple solution to this problem. Come on Rivian, you have a disconnect between a really great product, and really horrible service!

The tires, or the lack thereof tires and options is really becoming an issue. I'm seriously considering buying a new bronco due to the fact broncos have dozens of tire options. I feel like a tire orphan with my r1t. Need to develop an aftermarket especially for 20-in off-road tires and wheels.

 

[aasailor]

I have about 9k mikes on my R1T with the 21” road tires. After reading this forum yesterday I went to my local tire shop to have mine checked. They were 10.5-11/32nds. Which I’m happy with. Plus I had my tires rotated. This taught me that there is a tire change mode.

 

[aasailor]

I have about 9k mikes on my R1T with the 21” road tires. After reading this forum yesterday I went to my local tire shop to have mine checked. They were 10.5-11/32nds. Which I’m happy with. Plus I had my tires rotated. This taught me that there is a tire change mode.

And I meant to add that I drive in conserve mode.

 

[BlackH20]

It is not Pirelli, tires will not last more than 12-15K miles with all the torque of these vehicles produce, but driving habits and modes will make a difference. If you're using the front-wheel drive, conserve mode and turn on them simultaneously with all the auto-braking; they will wear fast.
At least you can rotate, though, with a Porsche (all-wheel drive 911), different size front and back tires that can only go in one direction, so no rotation is possible. The top is about 10K miles for a set of tires and though their low profile and high speed rated, they do not have near the torque and only half the weight of one of these Rivian vehicles.
Make sure your shop has a Hunter Elite Road Force Balancer (Hunter Engineering); it can diagnose your tires and your wheels (they are not the same). For the best comfort, put the worse, balanced on the right rear. Every wheel and tire will have a different measurement. Two best, but in front. These machines are around $100K, so not all garages have them, but you can search online; once you do it, you won't let anyone else do it without a Hunter.
Had one wheel, newly factory manufactured by Lincoln; it was so far out of spec that no weights could help it; I ended up replacing it because I could not get the shimmy out of it.
This is true with many manufacturer wheels, especially those that suffer curb rash and off-roading nicks. Those minor nicks will throw your balance off quite a bit. Don't expect tire wear near 40-50K like a regular SUV.

 

[EaglesPDX]

It is not Pirelli, tires will not last more than 12-15K miles with all the torque of these vehicles produce,

Only if you are torquing it like crazy in the day to day. Got 40,000 on the Xices using them year round. Model 3 is heavy torque EV and I'll nail it in Summer traffic to pass, hitting 100+ and then hard regen slow down. Keep your pressure right, rotate and, if it's a curb banger like the Model 3, check your alignment and no reason you won't get rated miles on an EV on a good tire.

 

[BlackH20]

Only if you are torquing it like crazy in the day to day. Got 40,000 on the Xices using them year round. Model 3 is heavy torque EV and I'll nail it in Summer traffic to pass, hitting 100+ and then hard regen slow down. Keep your pressure right, rotate and, if it's a curb banger like the Model 3, check your alignment and no reason you won't get rated miles on an EV on a good tire.

Your near half the body weight with a Tesla Model 3 versus a Rivian; not sure if AWD or FWD. Tires are your only contact with the road.
Reference "Car Stuff"
Tesla cars use exceptionally good tires, which is especially important on electric cars. The average tire life of Tesla tires is 25,000 to 30,000 miles depending on road conditions and driving habits.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Your near half the body weight with a Tesla Model 3 versus a Rivian

Tires are sized to the vehicle so it is all proportional. Same would apply to tire sizes for Rivians' F150EV's etc.

The Xices are normal tires, not made specifically for the heavy, super torque Tesla and they gave their 40k. They actually had more tread left but I was upgrading to Vredensteins for noise reduction.

One can certainly wear them out sooner with aggressive driving but one can also get the same mileage even when playing with the EV torque on occasion.

Vredestein Pinza AT has a 50k guarantee on a F150 Lightning or regular F150.

It's all in how you drive and maintain the tires.

Tesla cars use exceptionally good tires

The OEM's on Model 3 are notoriously bad on wear. They lasted 20k while the quality Xices lasted 40k.

 

[BlackH20]

Tires are sized to the vehicle so it is all proportional. Same would apply to tire sizes for Rivians' F150EV's etc.

The Xices are normal tires, not made specifically for the heavy, super torque Tesla and they gave their 40k. They actually had more tread left but I was upgrading to Vredensteins for noise reduction.

One can certainly wear them out sooner with aggressive driving but one can also get the same mileage even when playing with the EV torque on occasion.

Vredestein Pinza AT has a 50k guarantee on a F150 Lightning or regular F150.

It's all in how you drive and maintain the tires.



The OEM's on Model 3 are notoriously bad on wear. They lasted 20k while the quality Xices lasted 40k.

Mistakes to Avoid When Shopping for New EV Tires

So it's time to replace your EV's tires. You probably won't be surprised to learn there are some important things to consider during the process.

www.motortrend.com

 

[EaglesPDX]

Mistakes to Avoid When Shopping for New EV Tires

So it's time to replace your EV's tires. You probably won't be surprised to learn there are some important things to consider during the process.

www.motortrend.com

Eyup...confirms that if you drive normally in an EV you can get the rated wear.

Most the article was about fact that OEM tires on EV's tend to be geared to getting advertised range vs. being good tires so upgrades can affect range.

Had to laugh at this line as Model 3 tires were so loud, something new owners notice about the car.

Why is that? Because EV tires are designed with noise—or noise suppression—in mind, much more so than any ICE-vehicle tires

When I got my 40k from the Xices, I went for quietest I could find and the Vredenstien Hi-Techs were it and they were right. Made a big difference. Also excellent in the wet which is every day in PNW.

 

[BlackH20]

Takeaway points, not going to argue with every post; remember, a Rivian is not ten percent heavier than a regular-sized comparable truck/vehicle; they are much heavier and have much more torque. Usually, they will have a heavier load; people buy trucks and SUVs to carry stuff (weight). Do we believe "your individual experience" is the norm or the head of communications for Michelin Tires? I am going with the expert from Michelin, as he says below".

"According to Shepherd (from Michilen), EVs are typically about 10 percent heavier (on average) than their ICE counterparts, "and so they can wear the tire up to 20 percent more." That's a significant difference in wear and tire longevity that might not be immediately apparent to most EV owners, especially given the unintuitive relationship between slightly more weight and significantly greater wear. Weight isn't the only wear factor, however. The on-demand torque EVs provide, and regenerative braking can also adversely affect your tires over time"—just the points I made in my post above.

As far as warranties, you can look on most Porsche sites and most car forums; people get around 10-15K per set of Michelin Pilot Sports with a Porsche (you can go cheaper, but why when it affects handling so much) and tire warranties are to 30K with the Michilens; read the fine print in the 30K warranty. They don't give you free tires; they give you the difference between your wear and the tire mileage warranty, which is hardly any discount on the same tires. Do they know if you tracked the car? Drove it hard?

You can consistently beat the tire warranty when you buy three and get one free (offered by manufacturers yearly), so it's pretty useless. That's all; no more banter back and forth; google for EV tire wear, and you will see they don't last as long as the warranty and, indeed, is not going to last with an 835 HP SUV AWD vehicle with torque going to the front tires. Simple physics!

 

[EaglesPDX]

Rivian is not ten percent heavier than a regular-sized comparable truck/vehicle

Tires are always sized to weight of vehicles, gas or electric. Only issue is the EV's ability to apply torque which is entirely up to the driver. Drive normal and you will get normal wear. I've done it. Anyone can do it.

 

[BlackH20]

Tires are always sized to weight of vehicles, gas or electric. Only issue is the EV's ability to apply torque which is entirely up to the driver. Drive normal and you will get normal wear. I've done it. Anyone can do it.

Model X Tires - Replacement Miles

At how many miles did you replace your MX tires? Please Vote.

teslamotorsclub.com

You're driving a lightweight Tesla Model 3, half the weight of a Rivian, nothing like a Model S or X; look at the users above, so you're not doing anything for comparison. Rivian's are another 1500-2000 pounds before anything is loaded in them than the heaviest Tesla's; no comparison of your small Model 3 is relevant. Next Case!

 

[EaglesPDX]

You're driving a lightweight Tesla Model 3, half the weight of a Rivian

I'm not putting Model 3 weight rated tires on the Rivian. The point of the Model 3 example is that despite it being heavier than a similar sized ICE sedan, it can get the rated mileage from correctly sized tires. I got the same mileage from a correctly sized Xice on the Subaru as I did on the correctly sized Xice on the Model 3. Same applies to Rivian vs. an ICE truck.

The tires are proportional to the vehicles weight. Tires are sized to vehicles weight and the mileage guarantee is based on weight rating. You seem to think this is the first 7k truck to be invented It is no different than another 7k truck except it can have more instant torque. If you go easy on the additional torque, you'll get the rated mileage...next case indeed.